{"id":1730,"date":"2025-09-27T03:38:27","date_gmt":"2025-09-27T03:38:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.bearsavings.com\/blog\/?p=1730"},"modified":"2026-11-09T01:05:56","modified_gmt":"2026-11-09T01:05:56","slug":"permabulls-vs-bear-porn","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bearsavings.com\/blog\/permabulls-vs-bear-porn\/","title":{"rendered":"Permabulls vs Bear Porn: Why Smart Investors Avoid Extreme Predictions"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you spend any time on investing message boards or X, you\u2019ll notice two tribes warring at all times: permabulls and the purveyors of bear porn.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Perma-bulls worship the cult of \u201cthe market always goes up\u201d while bear pornists gorge themselves on apocalyptic market crash and recession predictions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Both sides make good content, but neither extreme is helpful to long-term investors.&nbsp;In this post I will cover:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The psychology behind permabulls and bear porn<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Why they are so attractive to follow<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>How to cut through the noise and invest like a smart investor<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_89 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-grey ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<div class=\"ez-toc-title-container\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<span class=\"ez-toc-title-toggle\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"ez-toc-pull-right ez-toc-btn ez-toc-btn-xs ez-toc-btn-default ez-toc-toggle\" aria-label=\"Toggle Table of Content\"><span class=\"ez-toc-js-icon-con\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" 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ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bearsavings.com\/blog\/permabulls-vs-bear-porn\/#What_Are_Permabulls\" >What Are Permabulls?<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bearsavings.com\/blog\/permabulls-vs-bear-porn\/#What_Is_Bear_Porn\" >What Is Bear Porn?<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bearsavings.com\/blog\/permabulls-vs-bear-porn\/#Why_Investors_Gravitate_Toward_Extremes\" >Why Investors Gravitate Toward Extremes<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bearsavings.com\/blog\/permabulls-vs-bear-porn\/#The_Problem_with_Permabulls\" >The Problem with Permabulls<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-5\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bearsavings.com\/blog\/permabulls-vs-bear-porn\/#The_Problem_with_Bear_Porn\" >The Problem with Bear Porn<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-6\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bearsavings.com\/blog\/permabulls-vs-bear-porn\/#How_Smart_Investors_Can_Navigate_the_Middle\" >How Smart Investors Can Navigate the Middle<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-7\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bearsavings.com\/blog\/permabulls-vs-bear-porn\/#Historical_Lessons\" >Historical Lessons<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-8\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bearsavings.com\/blog\/permabulls-vs-bear-porn\/#The_Balanced_Investor_Mindset\" >The Balanced Investor Mindset<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-9\" href=\"https:\/\/www.bearsavings.com\/blog\/permabulls-vs-bear-porn\/#Final_Thoughts\" >Final Thoughts<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"What_Are_Permabulls\"><\/span>What Are Permabulls?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.collinsdictionary.com\/dictionary\/english\/permabull\" title=\"Permabulls\">Permabulls<\/a> are extreme optimists who are eternally bullish on the stock market, no matter what.\u00a0When the market is expensive, permabulls call dips \u201cbuying opportunities\u201d, \u201ctime in the market beats timing the market\u201d, and generally don\u2019t pay attention to valuations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Characteristics of a permabull include:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Belief in the long-term growth of equities no matter the current valuation.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>A high degree of faith in the powers of innovation, productivity growth, and capitalism\u2019s ability to self-correct.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>A tendency to dismiss or downplay risk factors like debt bubbles, inflation, or geopolitical risk.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Permabulls are often fond of quoting Warren Buffett\u2019s famous quote: \u201cThe American economy will do fine over time.\u201d The problem with this philosophy is that it tends to overlook risks.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"What_Is_Bear_Porn\"><\/span>What Is Bear Porn?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Bear porn is the opposite of permabulls.&nbsp;This term was coined by philosopher-economist Mark Ames to describe the seemingly never-ending flow of end-of-the-world market predictions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Bear porn includes:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Predictions of market crashes, housing market collapses, currency meltdowns, etc.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Chart overlays of \u201chistory repeating itself\u201d (1929 market crash chart overlays are a popular favourite).<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Attention-seeking influencers and thinkers who try to make a name for themselves by stoking fear, such as the folks who make bold calls like \u201cDow 50% lower this year\u201d.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Bear porn is popular content because it taps into the powerful emotions of fear and anxiety.&nbsp;A headline about an impending market crash or new recession is naturally more attention-grabbing than a story about slow and steady gains. For a real-world example of how repeated crash calls play out, see <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bearsavings.com\/blog\/michael-burry-predictions-track-record\/\">Michael Burry&#8217;s crash warnings<\/a> since 2017.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Why_Investors_Gravitate_Toward_Extremes\"><\/span>Why Investors Gravitate Toward Extremes<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Permabulls and bear porn both tap into important parts of human psychology:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Confirmation bias.\u00a0Both bulls and bears prefer to hear narratives that confirm their pre-existing beliefs.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Emotional security.\u00a0Optimists are reassured by bullishness, while skeptics feel validated hearing about risks.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Simple stories are easier to understand than complex analysis.\u00a0It\u2019s much easier to digest a world that is \u201calways going up\u201d or \u201calways going down\u201d compared to the messiness of grey areas.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But reality is messy.&nbsp;Financial markets are complex systems that rarely trend in a single direction.&nbsp;Reality is usually somewhere in the middle.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"The_Problem_with_Permabulls\"><\/span>The Problem with Permabulls<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Optimism is great for investing over the long term.&nbsp;But blind bullishness becomes a problem when it causes investors to:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Overpay for assets by ignoring valuation metrics.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Underestimate or dismiss risk.&nbsp;Risk does exist!&nbsp;2000 dot-com bubble and 2008 financial crisis are proof of that.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Fail to diversify their portfolio, overexposing themselves to stocks or speculative assets.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Even companies with a solid long-term business can take decades to recover from a bubble-induced drawdown.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.bearsavings.com\/stocks\/cisco-stock-calculator\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"Cisco\">Cisco<\/a> trades below its 2000 highs even though it is a real business with actual revenue.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"The_Problem_with_Bear_Porn\"><\/span>The Problem with Bear Porn<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Constantly reading about impending doom has its own set of problems:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Missing out on potential gains.&nbsp;The stock market has trended up over the long run.&nbsp;Staying on the sidelines waiting for \u201cthe big crash\u201d usually destroys wealth.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Emotional exhaustion.&nbsp;Consuming bear porn creates anxiety and makes it hard to make clear-headed decisions.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Loss of credibility.&nbsp;The bear case is easy to argue.&nbsp;But if someone has been making the same crash call for years, how do you know they are right this time?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The saying goes \u201cbears sound smart, bulls make money\u201d.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"How_Smart_Investors_Can_Navigate_the_Middle\"><\/span>How Smart Investors Can Navigate the Middle<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The smarter approach is to avoid both extremes and chart your own course in the middle.&nbsp;Here is how I\u2019d do it:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Acknowledge that markets move in cycles.&nbsp;There will be good times and bad times.&nbsp;Prepare for both.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Diversify your portfolio.&nbsp;Don\u2019t put all your eggs in one basket whether it be stocks, bonds, real estate, or alternative investments.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Have valuation discipline.&nbsp;Learn to recognize when markets are expensive or cheap and adjust your risk accordingly.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Stay flexible and willing to shift allocations, but don\u2019t overbet on either extreme.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Keep some cash reserves.&nbsp;Dry powder is your friend.&nbsp;Cash allows you to take advantage of opportunities that arise.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Historical_Lessons\"><\/span>Historical Lessons<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Permabulls in 1999: Many believed that tech stocks had nowhere to go but up.&nbsp;The tech stock crash that wiped out trillions of dollars should have taught us all a lesson about valuations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Bear porn in 2010\u20132012: After the financial crisis many forecasters and expert advisors predicted an \u201cinevitable double-dip recession\u201d.&nbsp;The actual outcome: the S&amp;P 500 tripled in the next 10 years.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The pandemic crash of 2020: Permabulls were caught off-guard by the quick drawdown, while the purveyors of bear porn predicted depression-era levels of misery.&nbsp;Actual outcome: tech stocks led a sharp recovery.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">History has repeatedly shown that extremes are wrong.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"The_Balanced_Investor_Mindset\"><\/span>The Balanced Investor Mindset<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Smart investing is about managing probabilities, not making predictions.&nbsp;I focus on trying to avoid the following:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Expecting volatility and drawdowns.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Avoiding leverage that can destroy capital.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Recognizing that both optimism and skepticism have a place in investing.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Long-term investing success is about neither always being bullish nor bearish, but instead about adjusting your strategy based on how the facts change over time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Final_Thoughts\"><\/span>Final Thoughts<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Permabulls and bear porn have been around since markets first began.&nbsp;While entertaining to watch, chasing one side or the other almost always leads to underperformance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Balance is key: optimistic enough to invest for the long term, but cautious enough to protect yourself against downturns.&nbsp;Ignore the extremes, embrace the grey areas, and remember that in investing moderation almost always wins.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If you spend any time on investing message boards or X, you\u2019ll notice two tribes warring at 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